Archlinux interest group at Babashan (815) ============================================ start of raw notes: myf - archuser, not contributer - registered the slot so people can share arch experiences felix yan, archlinux core developer - no archconf - some arch developer would go to ccc to hangout - all together 30 core developers - personally maintain 3k - 4k packages - (Q) who wrote wiki for archlinux - mostly users - localization team haruki tsurumoto - japanese arch community - (Q) do you know people from archlinux-jp? - not sure - trusted user team, japan, user:farseerFC - maintain japanese localization Nicolas - use as main desktop environment - use debian as server os - interested in the community john - long time debian user - use arch as well since nearly the beginning - arch more suitable for development rafael lee - debian, kali user, but interested in arch - likes arch wiki samuel - debian developer - used to maintain 2 packages in aur - atom - brazil archlinux community is very strong, 1300+ people telegram - lots archer use manjaro - want to help q&a process, (Q) does archlinux build process use ci? (A)felix - there was ci, but there are a lot of build failiure, but mostly upstream - no human resource to report delib - interested in self governing organizations - notice arch linux , arch wiki, very interesting Nicolas - (Q) no idea how arch works so well, never mt any developers (A)john - probably a lot of developers use it, so it works well even it has a small team - example gentoo wiki used to be big, and archwiki took over gentoo wiki delib: - (Q) is it a distro - (A)felix: yes, we provide tools - (A)john: do it yourself type, analogy: pro court basketball v. beginner court - (A)samuel: good for learning linux, and meanwhile having a working system - (A)felix: very much depends on upstream - (A)john: arch moves faster samuel: - (Q)do you have problems with upstream relying on old packages - (A) felix: yes, for example python3, converting everything from 2 to 3, - wrote some patches ourselves but use upstream mostly - (A) samuel: atom moved from aur to community, upstream got mad because it calls for a newer electron delib: debian has a lot of sysadmins who are interested in diy, - john that's debian's world - felix arch has more software developers, - kernel dev use arch to check errors samuel: - (Q) build process? - (A)felix: 6 master keys, sign pgp keys - dont have build farm - build packages, put them back, and sign john: fsf both use for their legal services - debian and arch neighbors fsf foundation - spi, software in public interests Nicolas - type of users, - core users of debian are sysadmin, stability, lots of tests - personally software developer, if it breaks, doesn't matter, solve it and move on - try things - debian stable provide stability, arch provide tinkering samuel - arch packaging policy, far more relaxed - need improvement: stability (Q) goals for the future: - merging with arch linux arm? discussion about merging with each other - arm has automate build system, follow arch script samuel - best way to contribute to archlinux - lots of developer prefer email, there's a mailing list - core and community - demograhpics of arch dev? are there any brazillians? - yes - myf: (Q) what if some core dev decide to leave etc.? - felix (A) mailing list, post them before - There are 30 core developers, contribute to core and extra, - 40 trusted users, contribute to community (Q) for felix, how did you start? - join cjk and localization team - trusted users need to be sponsored samuel: hard to start on aur - it is easier to contribute to already existing package - (A) new version of aur there's a system of co-maintainers What is your favourite aur helper??? beginner stuff is a bit dangerous - people aren't thinking about what they install - (A)recommend beginner to use manjaro, or other arch deviant - there's also chakara - problem with those distro - arch dont have security team to fix these - security fix can be delayed - they also change default settings testing repo - gnome unstable